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So, ich mache hier jetzt mal ein neues Thema auf, da es sicher im Vorstellungsthread von XT500 irgendwann untergeht.
Einige Fahrer des neuen Durango, oder überhaupt beim Pentastar 3,6, fragen sich ob man Bioethanol E85 fahren darf. Einige fahren es sicher auch. Manche Fahrzeuge werden als "E85" angeboten. Sind aber keine. Beim Jeep Grand Cherokee gibt es ja eine Variante die explicit so verkauft wird. Den Durango gibt es wohl auch in der Ausführung, aber wie beim Jeep nur mit besonderen Details.
Muss natürlich jeder für sich entscheiden, ob er das Risiko eingeht das Zeug zu tanken, würde sicher den Einbau einer Gasanlage ersparen. Fakt ist aber:
Ein Flexfuel der dafür vorgesehen ist, hat einen entsprechenden Tankdeckel (gelb), entsprechende Aufkleber, entsprechende Hinweise in der Bedienungsanleitung.
Die Dodge Hotline in Deutschland, wenn man denn auf Kompetenz vertrauen kann/könnte, sagt klar, ohne die v.g. Hinweise kein E85.
Ich habe nun direkt bei Dodge USA mit meiner VIN angefragt bzw. auch danach, welche Unterschiede es gibt. Meine schon mal angenommene Vermutung, dass der Motor das zwar grundsätzlich verträgt, aber das drumherum muss passen, wurde bestätigt.
Hier die ausführliche Antwort:
Dear Thomas:
Thank you for contacting the U.S. Dodge Customer Assistance Center.
The 3.6L Pentastar V6 engine is able to run E-85 in the b Dodge
Durango. These vehicles can be identified by a unique fuel filler door
label that states Ethanol (E-85) or Unleaded Gasoline Only. Only
vehicles with the E-85 fuel filler door label can operate on E-85.
Non-Flex Fuel Vehicles (FFV) are compatible with gasoline containing 10%
ethanol (E10). Gasoline with higher ethanol content may void the
vehicle?s warranty.
If a Non-FFV vehicle is inadvertently fueled with E-85 fuel, the engine
will have some or all of these symptoms:
? operate in a lean mode
? OBD II ?Malfunction Indicator Light? on
? poor engine performance
? poor cold start and cold drivability
? increased risk for fuel system component corrosion
To fix a Non-FFV vehicle inadvertently fueled once with E-85 perform the
following:
? drain the fuel tank (see your authorized dealer)
? change the engine oil and oil filter
? disconnect and reconnect the battery to reset the engine controller
memory
More extensive repairs will be required for prolonged exposure to E-85
fuel.
Because E-85 fuel contains less energy per gallon/liter than gasoline,
you will experience
an increase in fuel consumption. You can expect your miles per gallon
(mpg)/miles per liter and your driving range to decrease by about 30%,
compared to gasoline operation.
FFV vehicles will operate on both unleaded gasoline with an octane
rating of 87, or E-85 fuel, or any mixture of these two. For best
results, a refueling pattern that alternates between E-85 and unleaded
gasoline for long periods of time should be avoided.
When you do switch fuel types it is recommended that:
? you do not switch when the fuel gauge indicates less than 1/4 full
? you do not add less than 5 gallons (19 Liters) when refueling
? you operate the vehicle immediately after refueling for a period of at
least 5 minutes
Observing these precautions will avoid possible hard starting and/or
significant deterioration in driveability during warm up.
The characteristics of E-85 fuel make it unsuitable for use when ambient
temperatures fall below 0°F (-18°C). In the range of 0°F (-18°C) to 32°F
(0°C), you may experience an increase in the time it takes for your
engine to start, and a deterioration in driveability (sags and/or
hesitations) until the engine is fully warmed up.
Vehicles operated on E-85 require specially formulated engine oils.
These special requirements are included in MOPAR engine oils, and in
equivalent oils meeting Chrysler Specification MS-6395. The manufacturer
requires engine oils that are API Certified and meet the requirements of
Material Standard MS-6395. MS-6395 contains additional requirements,
developed during extensive fleet testing, to provide additional
protection to Chrysler Group LLC engines. Use MOPAR or an equivalent oil
meeting the specification MS-6395.
Refer to the vehicle owner's manual for full details. You can view,
download and print Owner Manuals, Warranty Booklets, and Maintenance
Schedules from recent model years by visiting the Dodge brand website at
https://www.dodge.com/en/owners/manuals/
Owner's Manuals have been prepared with the assistance of service and
engineering specialists to tell you about specific vehicles. Included
are: starting, operating, emergency and maintenance procedures,
specifications, capabilities and safety tips.
Thanks again for your email.
Sincerely,
Also, mir ist das zu riskant und ich tanke weiterhin E10 und nächstes Jahr gibt es vielleicht Gas. Hab meinen ja erst ne Woche und ich muss mal sehen, was der auf Strecke verbraucht. Im Moment hab ich leider nur Kurzstrecke gefahren und bin bei 14 Liter...
Gruß, Thomas
Einige Fahrer des neuen Durango, oder überhaupt beim Pentastar 3,6, fragen sich ob man Bioethanol E85 fahren darf. Einige fahren es sicher auch. Manche Fahrzeuge werden als "E85" angeboten. Sind aber keine. Beim Jeep Grand Cherokee gibt es ja eine Variante die explicit so verkauft wird. Den Durango gibt es wohl auch in der Ausführung, aber wie beim Jeep nur mit besonderen Details.
Muss natürlich jeder für sich entscheiden, ob er das Risiko eingeht das Zeug zu tanken, würde sicher den Einbau einer Gasanlage ersparen. Fakt ist aber:
Ein Flexfuel der dafür vorgesehen ist, hat einen entsprechenden Tankdeckel (gelb), entsprechende Aufkleber, entsprechende Hinweise in der Bedienungsanleitung.
Die Dodge Hotline in Deutschland, wenn man denn auf Kompetenz vertrauen kann/könnte, sagt klar, ohne die v.g. Hinweise kein E85.
Ich habe nun direkt bei Dodge USA mit meiner VIN angefragt bzw. auch danach, welche Unterschiede es gibt. Meine schon mal angenommene Vermutung, dass der Motor das zwar grundsätzlich verträgt, aber das drumherum muss passen, wurde bestätigt.
Hier die ausführliche Antwort:
Dear Thomas:
Thank you for contacting the U.S. Dodge Customer Assistance Center.
The 3.6L Pentastar V6 engine is able to run E-85 in the b Dodge
Durango. These vehicles can be identified by a unique fuel filler door
label that states Ethanol (E-85) or Unleaded Gasoline Only. Only
vehicles with the E-85 fuel filler door label can operate on E-85.
Non-Flex Fuel Vehicles (FFV) are compatible with gasoline containing 10%
ethanol (E10). Gasoline with higher ethanol content may void the
vehicle?s warranty.
If a Non-FFV vehicle is inadvertently fueled with E-85 fuel, the engine
will have some or all of these symptoms:
? operate in a lean mode
? OBD II ?Malfunction Indicator Light? on
? poor engine performance
? poor cold start and cold drivability
? increased risk for fuel system component corrosion
To fix a Non-FFV vehicle inadvertently fueled once with E-85 perform the
following:
? drain the fuel tank (see your authorized dealer)
? change the engine oil and oil filter
? disconnect and reconnect the battery to reset the engine controller
memory
More extensive repairs will be required for prolonged exposure to E-85
fuel.
Because E-85 fuel contains less energy per gallon/liter than gasoline,
you will experience
an increase in fuel consumption. You can expect your miles per gallon
(mpg)/miles per liter and your driving range to decrease by about 30%,
compared to gasoline operation.
FFV vehicles will operate on both unleaded gasoline with an octane
rating of 87, or E-85 fuel, or any mixture of these two. For best
results, a refueling pattern that alternates between E-85 and unleaded
gasoline for long periods of time should be avoided.
When you do switch fuel types it is recommended that:
? you do not switch when the fuel gauge indicates less than 1/4 full
? you do not add less than 5 gallons (19 Liters) when refueling
? you operate the vehicle immediately after refueling for a period of at
least 5 minutes
Observing these precautions will avoid possible hard starting and/or
significant deterioration in driveability during warm up.
The characteristics of E-85 fuel make it unsuitable for use when ambient
temperatures fall below 0°F (-18°C). In the range of 0°F (-18°C) to 32°F
(0°C), you may experience an increase in the time it takes for your
engine to start, and a deterioration in driveability (sags and/or
hesitations) until the engine is fully warmed up.
Vehicles operated on E-85 require specially formulated engine oils.
These special requirements are included in MOPAR engine oils, and in
equivalent oils meeting Chrysler Specification MS-6395. The manufacturer
requires engine oils that are API Certified and meet the requirements of
Material Standard MS-6395. MS-6395 contains additional requirements,
developed during extensive fleet testing, to provide additional
protection to Chrysler Group LLC engines. Use MOPAR or an equivalent oil
meeting the specification MS-6395.
Refer to the vehicle owner's manual for full details. You can view,
download and print Owner Manuals, Warranty Booklets, and Maintenance
Schedules from recent model years by visiting the Dodge brand website at
https://www.dodge.com/en/owners/manuals/
Owner's Manuals have been prepared with the assistance of service and
engineering specialists to tell you about specific vehicles. Included
are: starting, operating, emergency and maintenance procedures,
specifications, capabilities and safety tips.
Thanks again for your email.
Sincerely,
Also, mir ist das zu riskant und ich tanke weiterhin E10 und nächstes Jahr gibt es vielleicht Gas. Hab meinen ja erst ne Woche und ich muss mal sehen, was der auf Strecke verbraucht. Im Moment hab ich leider nur Kurzstrecke gefahren und bin bei 14 Liter...
Gruß, Thomas
