Cummins vs. Duramax vs. Powerstroke

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All Diesels Are Not Created Equal!!

Chevy and GMC trucks equipped with the Duramax diesels:


Many people want to know why we don't sell any GM diesels, specifically the Duramax diesels. Let me start by saying that the GM truck is absolutely awesome, we are not biased. The transmission is relatively good, frames are rigid and the rest is all great. The problem is that the motor is in our opinion a "consumer" diesel, not a "commercial" diesel. Explanation: The International Navistar in the Fords and the Cummins in the Dodges are found in all sorts of commercial applications. It is in the Ford and Dodge pickups, UPS trucks, FedEx trucks, tow trucks, school buses, Recreational Vehicles, ambulances, fire trucks, to name a few. Ford and Dodge chose the International Navistar and the Cummins, respectively, to use in their pickups. The Duramax is found almost NOWHERE but in the GM pickups. Even Isuzu, who partnered with GM to build it, doesn't use it in any of their commercial applications. Check it out and see for yourself. Furthermore, the Duramax is rated by it's own manufacturer for a 225k mile life expectancy. The 7.3 Navistar and 5.9 Cummins are both rated for 375k miles and easily last twice that and more. Why would you knowingly buy a truck that is rated to be little more than half as good by it's manufacture, as it's competitors? The short life expectancy is partially due to the undeniably brutal power produced by this motor. The Duramax is a 22:1 compression motor that uses a cast iron engine block with aluminum heads held on by steel head bolts. A combination of three different metals that expand different amounts at different temperatures. This along with massive amounts of boost from the turbo to aluminum heads under extremely high compression makes for phenomenal power, but in our opinion it has no longevity or reliability. We shop hundreds of trucks every month all over this great country and have SELDOM seen a Duramax with anywhere near 200k miles or more on it. Go ahead and try and find one for yourself, I have. Maybe we're old school, but if you're looking for a diesel that's going to last you awhile before major repairs, the Duramax is not it!..... Isn't a major attraction of buying a diesel the longevity and reliability issue? You can make safe, RELIABLE power with the Fords and Dodges and avoid costly repairs as well. We only sell products that we know and trust. It makes us no money to NOT to sell the Duramax, in fact we lose money by not selling GM Duramax trucks. Unfortunately we can't sell GM Duramax trucks in good faith, knowing the facts as we, so we don't.

How about the FORD 6.0 Powerstroke?


This one's a toughie........In late 2003 when Ford switched to the 6.0 liter from the 7.3 liter, many factors were involved. Unfortunately for us (the consumer), we lost a great, proven, economical, bulletproof motor, the 7.3 Liter . This was, from my understanding, due to several reasons, both stated by Ford/Navistar and some reasons not stated but obvious to us. The 7.3L was introduced in 1988 and refined over a 15 year period until 2003. Each year it got better; more powerful, better fuel economy, and kept it's high rating for expected miles. In 2003 Ford/International were forced to produce a "cleaner burning" diesel. So the 6.0 liter was developed with an EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) system to meet the EPA demands. There was less than 2 years testing done on this motor before it was released to the public. In 2003 and early 2004 it had several problems. The issue that was not stated but totally obvious was that the 7.3L was such a reliable motor that people were getting over 300 to 400 thousand miles and more out of them and not buying new trucks, because their 7.3 was still running great. Good for the owners, but not so good for Ford. In our opinion they needed a way to get people buying new diesels again and this was a perfect time. The 6.0 liter was introduced. As a performer it hauled a**!! but it had serious reliability issues: turbos went bad with regularity, head gaskets blew, motors overheated. Maybe in the future we can sell late 2004 and 2005 6.0 liters, but it's too early now and we will NOT sell the earlier models (2003-2004) due to reliability issues. Again, it makes us no money not to sell them. In fact, if you look at our "competitors" they usually have tons of them for sale and very few 7.3L, as the 7.3L are getting harder to find. Do you think a car lot would give you this information even if they did know? They are trained to sell what they have irregardless if it what you need and what will serve you best..
 
Das ist ganz einfach Josch, lass alle Worte weg und merke Dir das Du mit einem Dodge am weitesten kommst!!!
 
Das ist ganz einfach Josch, lass alle Worte weg und merke Dir das Du mit einem Dodge am weitesten kommst!!!


Sehr grob, aber treffend zusammengefasst!
8)
 
Moin Oli,
klare und eindeutige Antwort auf dieses Thema:

https://www.fordcummins.com :twisted: :twisted:

(Für diejenigen, die des Englischen nicht mächtig sind: in Serie werden hier Cummins-Diesel in Fords reingebaut................... nicht ohne Grund :shock: )

;)
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Nachsatz: alleine das tolle Allison-Getriebe wäre für mich ausschlaggebend gewesen, eher den von Dir erwägten Duramax zu nehmen..... !
;-)

Egal, ich freue mich ehrlich, beim nächsten Treffen mal einen Powerstroke zu erleben !!!!!!!!!
:)
 
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Felix, wie der Bernd schon sagte, ich hab nicht soviel Zeit wie Du
in amerikanischen Foren zu stöbern, um jetzt raus zu suchen, ob 6 oder
10 Ford-Fahrer ihre Motoren gegen Cummins gewechselt haben.... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Wenn ich 6 Zyl-Diesel fahren wollte, würde ich Audi A6 fahren... :lol: :lol:
 
Sorry Felix, den Nachsatz habe ich bei dem großen "Pleuel-Bild"
glatt übersehen...
Du weißt ja, die Menschen sind mir wichtig, nicht die Automarke !!!

Noch mal kurz zu meiner Wahl: nach einem ausgiebigen Gespräch
mit topclean, habe ich mich gegen den Duramax entschieden und
auf Leder, etc. verzichtet, weil mir die "Injector-Nummer" mit
evtl. Reparaturkosten von 2000 - 5000 Euro einfach zu unsicher war.

Gruß Oli
 
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Mal was Grundsätzliches zum Thema Automarken: als wir das Forum gründeten haben wir überlegt, auch eine "Chevy-Ecke" und eine "Ford-Ecke" zu machen.
Wir sind auch davon ausgegangen, daß sich hier in diesem Forum Menschen zusammenfinden, die sich bereits aus anderen Plattformen her kennen und daß wir schon eine große Dodge-Gemeinde sind, welche auch "über den Tellerrand" schauen kann.
Insofern wäre es wirklich eine Bereicherung, wenn Du uns hier, Oli, weiterhin Deine Erfahrungen mitteilen könntest. Wir wollen keine ideologischen Gräben aufreißen - ein paar Frotzeleien seien natürlich gestattet - aber technisch sollten wir uns wirklich offen und ehrlich austauschen können.
Fände ich sehr spannend !!!
:P

Und wie hast Du gesagt: die Menschen sind wichtig !
;)
 
Genau mir ist es auch egal, welche PU Marke die Leute fahren. Etwas frotzeln ist OK, aber der Mensch zählt und nicht die Maschine.

Also Mr. Turbodiesel mach dich locker!! Und berichte uns deine Erfahrungen!!
 
ich scheine der einzige 6.0
Powerstroke-Fahrer weit und breit zu sein...oder kennt ihr
noch welche ?

es gibt sicher noch etliche. Im Pickup-WoKa-Forum gibts den "Hasenzahn", der hatte bis vor kurzem einen Dually-Longbed, aber verkauft. Er liebäugelt aber wieder mit einem PSD !
 
Da mir alle so Angst gemacht haben, habe ich ihn noch nicht
angemeldet. Er steht sicher bei mir auf dem Hof... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :laughing6: :laughing6:

War natürlich ein Joke. Habe gerade Post von einem Bekannten aus USA bekommen:

Oliver,
sorry it has taken so long to reply, but I have been
busy with work. I think that the '03 6.0ltr diesel is
a good truck. I have the automatic tranny and do not
know about the 6sp tranny. Otherwise I like the
truck. The price sounds good and the miles are good.
I have an '04 with now 82,000 miles. No big problems
so far. I think that if you change the oil and other
fluids regurlarly that it will last a long time. If
you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
Mike


Von daher habe ich mit dem F-250 ein gutes Gefühl.
 
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